Sunday, April 20, 2025

Short Assertions, Long Answers


Around this time of year we hear a lot of nonsense about Easter= Eostre= Ishtar= Ashira =Asherah  ='God's Wife', who was erased from history. This is a simple claim to make, and you may hear a lot of equally flimsy people who say the same things about it with equally shaky assertions. It is not surprising that on the most holy day of the year they want to disparage Christianity, to take Christians down a notch. Here is what Jimmy Akin has to say about Asherah.

Cy Kellett:

Is it some sort of… I’m not going to pretend like, all right. So it’s one of those, you share your little video. I don’t know the difference between that and Instagram or Vine or any of them, but basically you get to have your say. And one of the things that people have been having their say about over on TikTok is that Yahweh, the God of Israel, had a wife. And I sometimes feel like there’s almost, like this is something I maybe ask you about before the end of the show. Is there some named part of the human psyche that says we love new and innovative ideas? Like I just want to be the person who has the new. Not necessarily is it true or not, but this seems to be the new idea, that Yahweh had a wife. So help me out there.

Jimmy Akin:

Well, okay. So the situation is represented differently by different folks. And in particular, there’s a scholar on YouTube who has put out a couple of these videos, which I’ve seen. And why don’t we give the listeners a taste of one of the things he says.

Cy Kellett:

All right, let’s give them a clip there, Darren.

Tik Tok Clip:

Asherah worship, recognition of Asherah as the consort or wife of Yahweh was 100% normative prior to the reign of Josiah, his campaign of cult centralization, and then the events of the exile. We have no text from the Hebrew Bible we can confidently date prior to Josiah that marginalize or vilify Asherah. They all date to Josiah or the exilic period, such as the two texts mentioned by that creator. They try to rewrite earlier history and earlier traditions in order to vilify Asherah. An example, the contest of Elijah with the priest of Baal mentions Asherah’s priests in the very beginning. And they vanish from the narrative because they were a later addition to the text.

Cy Kellett:

All right, so there’s a lot. First of all, Josiah, one of the kings of Israel, a king of Israel in the 600s BC. So what do you make of that argument?

Jimmy Akin:

Well, so he’s got a bunch of presuppositions here and you can kind of, if you’re not someone who reads in this area a lot, it may not be entirely obvious what he’s claiming. But basically he’s proposing a view that holds that the books of the Bible as we have them were written at a later date than is commonly understood. And he’s saying that there was an effort that originally the Israelites worshiped a pantheon of gods, including Yahweh and Asherah. And that then at some later date, this became marginalized. And King Josiah in particular instituted or religious reform that was monotheistic, that just wanted to focus on Yahweh alone. And this is a narrative that you find in some scholarship, but it is not the picture that we find in the Bible itself.

Jimmy Akin:

Now, it’s certainly true that there were Israelites who were polytheists. Just read the Old Testament. The prophets are constantly railing on polytheism and telling the Israelites that they’re messing up and they’re going to cause problems because they’re going after other gods instead of sticking with the God that was their traditional patron, who was also the creator of the universe. And so he’s dealing with a revisionist narrative, he’s advocating a revisionist narrative that doesn’t actually correspond to the biblical text.

Jimmy Akin:

Now there are passages in the Old Testament that refer to additional celestial beings like Baal. Baal would be the most famous, and Asherah and Anat and various other Canaanite deities. The question is how do we explain these texts? Now, according to the biblical narrative, what explains them is that originally God created the world and mankind and made himself known to mankind. And in particular, he made himself known to Abraham. But Abraham came from a polytheistic culture. He came from Ur of the Chaldees, which is over in Iraq. And God revealed himself to Abraham and Abraham began following God. And then God had a special relationship with Abraham’s descendants. And we go through the Exodus experience down in Egypt.

Jimmy Akin:

And all along the line, there were temptations for the Israelites to worship other gods because they were surrounded by other peoples. I mean, the Egyptians had gods by the truckload. And even during the Exodus experience, we know because the Torah talks about it, that there were Israelites who were worshiping goat idols. But nevertheless, there was this orthodox correct stream of Israelite religion that focused on the one true God and not on these other gods. However, there was also a cultural matrix that the Israelites found themselves in of people who did worship other gods. And so there was kind of a hybrid situation between the worship of the true God, Yahweh, and the worship of these other gods.

Jimmy Akin:

And so the traditional and historic understanding of the matter is that there was normative Judaism that worshiped only the true God. And then there were renegade forms of Judaism that worshiped these other gods. And at times one or the other would have the upper hand. At times, according to the Old Testament, they even put idols in the temple itself in Jerusalem, even into the temple period. And then eventually they get taken away to Babylon. And when they come back from Babylon, this problem has been cured. Jewish people don’t really have this temptation anymore to worship other gods. The fire of the exilic experience and being taken into other lands really cured them of this. And so after this Jews tend to be much more orthodox in their approach to their religion.

Jimmy Akin:

What this gentleman is proposing is something different. He’s proposing that there wasn’t originally this orthodox normative form of Judaism that focused on Yahweh, that it’s a later edition. But the problem, or one of the problems, as I’ve mentioned, is that just doesn’t fit the biblical text. This guy is having to pick and choose his evidence and dismiss things. You notice, for example, he mentioned that in First Kings 18 in the encounter of Elijah with the prophets of Baal, that initially there is a mention not only of the prophets of Baal but also the prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel’s table. And then they don’t get mentioned later on in the text.

Jimmy Akin:

And his proposal for how to explain that is that it’s a later addition to the text that was introduced to marginalize the worship of Asherah by making her associated with Baal and the enemies of Elijah. A problem with that is, well, if you’ve stitched in a reference to the prophets of Asherah at the beginning of the text, why don’t you stitch them in later too? If you really want to marginalize Asherah, why don’t you do that consistently? So I don’t think that’s a very good explanation. That’s just him picking and choosing his evidence. And it’s kind of grasping at straws.

Cy Kellett:

Because the prophets of Baal are actually humiliated by Elijah. Wouldn’t you want to include Asherah in that humiliation if you were really trying to do that?

Jimmy Akin:

Exactly. So I don’t think this is a very good explanation. You’ll also notice that he says that we don’t have any texts prior to Josiah or the Babylonian exile that marginalize Asherah. Well, okay, number one, that presupposes his dating of these events. Also, even if you grant his dating, we don’t have any texts before that time that approve of Asherah. So if you want to say this happened at a certain point in history, notice that they start talking down Asherah, they start trash talking her at a certain point. Well, if you want to say it was normative prior to that to worship Asherah, where’s the text praising Asherah? Where are the texts that support that? You don’t see that. So this is, again, just him picking and choosing. And if you pick and choose, you can make anything out of the evidence.

Jimmy Akin:

So I don’t think it’s a reliable methodology. And I understand that there are liberal scholars who take this position. But it’s all very speculative and it’s based on picking and choosing. So I don’t grant the premises. Now, what we might do is talk about so like who was Asherah and what’s this alternative worldview. So in the first place, Asherah is barely in the Old Testament. There are like 40 references to Asherah and 33 of them are clear references not to the goddess but to a ceremonial object that was used in connection with the goddess. They had what are sometimes called Asherah poles. And sometimes these might take the form of a kind of stylized tree, or they might take the form of a stone pillar. But they most commonly seem to have been upright wooden poles that were somehow used in pagan worship.

Jimmy Akin:

And until the 20th century, it was common to hold that these poles were just, that’s what Asherah was. It was one of these cult objects. It was one of these poles. It wasn’t actually a goddess. But then in the 20th century, we found a bunch of texts in Syria at a place called Ras Shamra. And the Ras Shamra texts are written in Ugaritic, which is one of the languages that was spoken by the Hittites. And they fill in a bunch of additional information. They tell us about the Hittite Pantheon, which was also shared in varying degrees by the Canaanites, the people who were living in Israel before the Israelites.

Jimmy Akin:

Well, they did have a goddess. Now, they called her Athirat. But Athirat, when you bring it over into Hebrew, would become Asherah because of the way the languages are related. And basically she was like the consort of the high god, El. El is just the Hebrew word for God. And the high god was called El and then lower gods were also Elohim. But the high god had this wife called Asherah. And she was the goddess of the home, basically. She was associated with weaving. She was associated with cooking. She was associated with doing housewifely things. And she was portrayed as the goddess who was the wife of the high god.

Jimmy Akin:

But when Hebrews got ahold of this concept, they began to, since they regarded Yahweh as one of the names of the high god, you had them beginning to associate Asherah as the wife of Yahweh. And these were renegade forms of Judaism. This wasn’t the Orthodox form. But you have references to like Yahweh and his Asherah in the Old Testament. And originally, because so much of the time Asherah is used to refer to the cult object, the Asherah pole, it was thought that maybe this is just a reference to Yahweh and pole. But in light of the Ras Shamra discoveries, it’s clear that no, a few of these passages aren’t just references to the pole. They are references to the goddess. And so you did have some Israelites who worshiped Asherah as a goddess. You also had them worshiping Baal.

Jimmy Akin:

Baal was the storm god. And he was in the Canaanite Pantheon kind of the second-in-command. You had the high god, El, and then Baal served as his regent. So El is kind of retired and not taking an active role in things anymore. And so he is letting the storm god run the show. Well, the Orthodox Israelite response to that was to say, no, it’s all Yahweh. And so what you find in the Old Testament is not only references to El as the high god, but you also find references to El or Yahweh with all of the Baal imagery transferred to them to make it clear that no, there is no separate god that is serving as regent. There is just the one God who’s doing the whole thing. And so you find biblical authors referring to Yahweh, or El, as in charge of the storm and having set the boundaries of the sea.

Jimmy Akin:

Another god was the sea god Yamm. And Yamm and Baal had had a conflict in Canaanite mythology in which Baal kind of set the boundaries for the sea. He triumphed over the sea. He pushed the sea back into its place and made it stay there. And in the Old Testament, we have that very thing referred to. Only it’s not Baal, it’s Yahweh who does that. Yahweh is the one who determines the borders of the sea and says, “You shall not go further. You shall not overwhelm the land,” things like that. And so the biblical authors take the imagery that the Canaanites are using to talk about their gods and subvert it and attribute it all to the one true God.

Jimmy Akin:

And so you do have passages in the Old Testament that reflect the kinds of things you have in Canaanite literature, but they nevertheless are monotheistic. They attribute this all to God. One of my favorite examples of this is actually found in Genesis 1. Now, Genesis is a text that the gentleman we heard from earlier would date fairly late to the exilic times or after. But historically, it was attributed to Moses, who would’ve lived, say, in the 1200s BC. I think the evidence supports it being written a little after that. I think the evidence supports Genesis being written around 1000 BC, around the time of King David and King Solomon.

Jimmy Akin:

But either way you go, in the first chapter of Genesis, it talks about how God is setting up the world. And he makes, among other things, the sun and the moon. But he doesn’t call them the sun in the moon. He just says they’re lights. So it says God made a greater light to rule the day and a lesser light to rule the night. Well, why would he do that? Why would he not use the terms for sun and moon? Like Shamash meant son and Sin meant moon. Or Yarikh would mean moon.

Jimmy Akin:

So why would he avoid the names? Well, because they were deities. There was a sun god, there was a moon god that people were worshiping. And so you said Yahweh made Shamash or Yahweh made Yarikh to rule the night, it would be interpreted as God made the sun god and the moon god. So the biblical author’s solution to that is to not mention their names and just call them lights. And the result of that is the message becomes these are just lights. They’re not gods. Don’t worship them. And so you do have this interaction, but you have this much earlier, in my view, than the exilic period, this much earlier attempt to dethrone Canaanite deities and say, no, it’s just the one God. He’s unique. He’s the creator. He did all of this.

Cy Kellett:

So when I hear you speak about that, I mean, one thing that I think that you are conceding there is that even in the ancient times, all the way maybe from the time of the patriarchs themselves, I don’t know, all the way up until the exilic period, there would be a kind of competition of folk religion, different practices, different ways people understood their Judaism. So it wouldn’t be unreasonable to say yes, there were probably Jews who worshiped Asherah. But that doesn’t mean that Asherah is a god of the Jews.

Jimmy Akin:

Correct. It’s just like today. We have the Catholic church, but not all Catholics are faithful Catholics. And in parts of the world, there are Catholics who synchretize Catholicism with other religions. Like down in Haiti, you have voodoo, you also have Santeria where you have a mixing of Orthodox Catholicism with unorthodox ideas and worship practices. And the same thing happened in Israel. You had the prophets, and at least during various periods, the temple authorities supporting the orthodox view of we’re just worshiping this one God. But then you also had a temptation to worship other gods because of the mixing with the Canaanites, which is one of the key themes in the Old Testament is how Israel needs to be distinct. It needs to not follow the ways of the people around it. But they were in this cultural matrix and they were tempted to do that. And some of them did.

Cy Kellett:

I would think also for the person who comes across these things on TikTok and might not have a grounding in scripture or history, there would be, and I don’t want to say that this is the agenda of the person speaking, but it might be the agenda of the person speaking. There’s a certain way that this has a discrediting effect, an undermining effect, to say that the Jews’ story of themselves, which is the story that God called Abraham, that they were a people who stayed in a relationship with this one god, that that one God is also the God of Moses who called them out of the land of Egypt, saved them, established them in the land, that all of this would suggest that’s kind of one made up story that won. That’s not really the true history of the Jews.

Jimmy Akin:

Yeah. There is a subtext to this kind of discussion that is transgressive. It’s like, oh, let’s be naughty. Let’s talk about this other stuff. And I’m sure there are scholars who are sincere and convinced of their views, but there’s also this transgressive subtext that also is present in this and that especially comes out on social media. And I can’t say in this particular gentleman’s case what his motives are, but he does come across as way too definite and way too adamant in proposing his views. The evidence just does not support them in that way.

Cy Kellett:

And so, as Catholics, would we kind of be required to accept the traditional view that Abraham was indeed called by God out of the land of the Chaldeans and that that God stays in relationship with the Jewish people. Sometimes they’re faithful, sometimes they’re not, sometimes some are faithful and others are not. But that we as Catholic Christians accept that that story in its essence is true. That actually happened in history.

Jimmy Akin:

Yeah. The core of the story is definitely true. God did enter into a relationship with the Jewish people. They had varying degrees of adherence to him. But he really did make a covenant with the Jewish people. He really did enter into a special relationship with them. And the rest of this is not something that we need our faith threatened by because the Old Testament acknowledges that there were Jews who were not faithful. And that’s obvious if you read the Bible. It’s obvious when you read the Old Testament. And so it’s not anything we need to be afraid of. It’s just a reality.

Jimmy Akin:

But what we don’t want to do is exaggerate it and pick and choose the evidence to make it sound like this was normative at one point and that the true God did not have a special relationship with Israel and that’s only something that came up later. The core of the story, that God entered into a special relationship with the people of Israel and then maintained that even when they were not faithful to him, that is true. And that is what the evidence in the Old Testament indicates. It’s only when you pick and choose and say, “Well, I’m not going to listen to this. I’m not going to listen to this evidence that the text is presenting me with,” it’s only when you do that that you get this alternate rival story.

Cy Kellett:

I guess being transgressive is maybe the psychological, there is something kind of exciting about transgressing. Maybe that’s why.

Jimmy Akin:

Yeah, I got the new secret thing that you don’t know.

Cy Kellett:

Yeah. Okay. Before we finish, I just want to ask you about Josiah, who was mentioned, is kind of a key figure in what this scholar was saying. He is an important person in the history of Israel in the sense that he does have an agenda, which is to call people back to the proper worship of the one God.

Jimmy Akin:

Right. And that’s something that… So Josiah became king as a very young person, and he did institute a religious reform. And he did understand himself as calling people back to the worship of the one true God. He wasn’t trying to introduce a new concept. He was trying to restore faithfulness that had lapsed. And so that’s also consistent with the overall biblical narrative.

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This goddess was named Asherah, and she is mentioned at various places in the Hebrew scriptures.

 

The claim is made that we have no biblical texts that can be confidently dated prior to the reign of King Josiah (640-609 B.C.) that condemn the worship of this goddess.

 

Before that time, it was allegedly normative for Israelites to worship Asherah alongside God.

 

How accurate are these claims?

 

Not very.

 

It’s true that there was a goddess named Asherah that was worshipped in the Ancient Near East, and it’s true that some Israelites worshipped her.

 

But it is false to claim that this was a normative practice among Israelites—and that we have no texts from before the time of Josiah condemning the practice.

 

To understand the situation, we need to understand how the Israelite religion developed.

 

As a nation, Israel was descended from the patriarch Abraham, who came from “Ur of the Chaldees” (Gen. 12:28)—meaning he was from Mesopotamia, or modern Iraq.

 

As a native of Mesopotamia, Abraham was raised in the religion of the area, which centered on various eastern deities.

 

But the Bible records that eventually the true God—the Creator of the universe—called Abraham to leave Mesopotamia and come to the Promised Land of Canaan.

 

This is discussed in the book of Joshua, which states:

 

Joshua said to all the people, “Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Your fathers lived of old beyond the Euphrates, Terah, the father of Abraham and of Nahor; and they served other gods.

 

“Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan, and made his offspring many” (Josh. 24:2-3).

 

The Bible thus acknowledges that—before God appeared to him—Abraham worshipped other gods, which was the normal practice of people in the Ancient Near East.

 

When Abraham came to Canaan it was filled with its own people, who also worshipped a variety of gods.

 

Later, when Abraham’s descendants spent time in Egypt, they also lived among a polytheistic people.

 

Being surrounded by polytheistic people meant that the Israelites were tempted to join their neighbors in worshipping other gods, and they sometimes did so.

 

They even did so during the Exodus, as Moses was leading them out of Egypt and back to the Promised Land.

 

This is illustrated by the golden calf incident (Exod. 32) and by Moses’ instruction to offer their sacrifices to God, saying, “they may no longer sacrifice their sacrifices to the goat-idols after which they were prostituting” (Lev. 17:7, LEB).

 

While people did engage in these practices, they were not acceptable. Thus, after the golden calf incident:

 

Moses’ anger burned hot, and he threw the tables out of his hands and broke them at the foot of the mountain.

 

And he took the calf which they had made, and burnt it with fire, and ground it to powder, and scattered it upon the water, and made the sons of Israel drink it.

 

And Moses said to Aaron, “What did this people do to you that you have brought a great sin upon them?” (Exod. 32:19-21).

 

It was similarly recognized that, upon returning to Canaan, the polytheistic inhabitants could tempt the Israelites into being unfaithful to God. Concerning the Canaanites, God says:

 

You shall make no covenant with them or with their gods.

 

They shall not dwell in your land, lest they make you sin against me; for if you serve their gods, it will surely be a snare to you” (Exod. 23:32-33).

 

Also, God made a covenant with the Israelites that they would worship only him. This requirement is explicit in the Ten Commandments:

 

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

 

“You shall have no other gods before me.

 

“You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth” (Exod. 20:2-4).

 

The Bible thus depicts orthodox Israelite religion as involving the worship of God alone. However, it frankly acknowledges that unorthodox Israelites could and did worship other deities.

 

The struggle against this is a major theme in the Bible, and the prophets regularly condemn Israelites for worshipping other gods. You cannot read the Old Testament without repeatedly encountering this theme.

 

So what about Asherah? She was a goddess that was worshipped by the Canaanites—as well as other people in the Ancient Near East—and she was often regarded as the wife of the high god.

 

In the Canaanite pantheon, the high god—the head of the pantheon of gods—was named El, which is the Hebrew word for “God.”

 

El was also named Yahweh, and some Canaanites regarded Asherah as the wife of Yahweh.

 

Under the influence of their Canaanite neighbors, some Israelites did worship her—just as they worshipped other gods, like Ba’al and Milcom.

 

But according to the Old Testament, by doing this, they departed from the normative, orthodox Israelite religion and did things they were not supposed to.

 

What about the claim that this was normative before the time of King Josiah? Two points need to be made.

 

First, the theory depends on a very late dating of the biblical texts. There is good evidence that the books of Exodus and Leviticus were written around the time of David and Solomon (c. 1000 B.C.)—long before Josiah.

 

Furthermore, we have other texts before Josiah condemning the worship of Asherah.

 

For example, Isaiah 17:8 prophesies that a time is coming when the Israelites “will not have regard for the altars, the work of their hands, and they will not look to what their own fingers have made, either the Asherim or the altars of incense” to pagan gods.

 

The Asherim were pole-like religious objects used to worship Asherah, and even liberal scholars acknowledge that Isaiah 17 was written during the time of the prophet Isaiah (8th century B.C.), well before Josiah (7th century B.C.).

 

Even earlier was the event recorded in 1 Kings 15:13 that King Asa “removed Maacah his mother from being queen mother because she had an abominable image made for Asherah; and Asa cut down her image and burned it at the brook Kidron.”

 

Asa reigned between 912 and 870 B.C., and while 1 Kings wasn’t written until later, it records events repudiating Asherah that took place long before Josiah.

 

Second, the “Asherah worship was normative” view is just cherry-picking Old Testament texts.

 

If—at one time—it was orthodox for Israelites to worship Asherah, where are the texts praising her?

 

There aren’t any.

 

Advocates of this view must argue that any texts that were positive toward her were removed, and new, negative passages were introduced after Josiah.

 

That’s simply cherry-picking. You can prove anything you want—on any subject you want—if you get to pick evidence you think favors your position and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

 

For example, you could “prove” that the original thirteen U.S. colonies were founded by Russian immigrants by saying that—later on—all the references to Russian immigrants were mysteriously removed from our historical documents and replaced by references saying they were founded by English colonists.

 

The fact is, the texts we have in the Old Testament indicate that orthodox Israelites worshipped the true God, that unorthodox Israelites also worshipped other gods like Asherah, and that this practice was condemned from very early times.

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We also hear that God was "synchretized" from "El" and "Yah", that this version was 'synthesized' from two earlier deities, and thus, not authentic.

A reader writes:

Old Testament scholars like Knauf and Romer make a case for YHWH being a storm god related to Qos and Edomite religion, based on a linguistic case.

If their theory was plausible and you had to accept it, how would you reconcile that with your faith? Assume that their arguments are very convincing. How would you reconcile that with orthodox theology?

Since most people aren’t very familiar with the Edomites, let me begin my response with some background . . .

 

Meeting the Edomites

The Edomites were a people who lived in a region to the south of Israel. The Old Testament indicates that they were related to the Israelites. Their patriarch—Edom, also known as Esau—was the brother of Jacob, who was also known as Israel. The two peoples are thus deemed as being related by blood.

Just as Jacob and Esau had a sibling rivalry, so did the peoples that descended from them, and they often found themselves in competition and conflict, though they also had a shared sense of kinship that endured.

Thus one of the criticisms of the Edomites in the book of Obadiah is that they took advantage of Israel’s distress and even raided Jerusalem, despite the fact that they were kinsmen (Obad. 10-14).

This sense of kinship indicates a shared heritage that would likely includes religious elements. Thus we find archaeological evidence of the worship of Yahweh in Edom. Bert Dicou explains:

Evidence for an old connection of YHWH with Edom can also be found in extra-biblical sources. Some inscriptions found in Kuntillet ’Ajrud, mentioning the ‘YHWH of Teman’ besides a ‘YHWH of Samaria’, may even be interpreted as suggesting that in Edom (at least, in Teman) around 800 bce (the time of the inscriptions) YHWH was worshipped, since the expression ‘YHWH of Samaria’ clearly refers to YHWH as present in his cultic centre in Samaria (Edom, Israel’s Brother and Antagonist, 179).

 

The Deity Qos

The major Edomite deity was named Qos, and scholars have wondered about the relationship between Qos and Yahweh. Unfortunately, the Old Testament gives us virtually no positive information, although some have tried to mount an argument from silence. Dicou explains:

A problem within the religion history of Israel and its neighbours is the puzzling absence of the most important Edomite god, Qos, in the Old Testament. Whereas the gods of the other neighbours are rejected as well as mentioned by their names, neither happens to the Edomite god or gods. . . .

This can possibly be explained by assuming that Edom’s Qos did not differ very much from Israel’s YHWH—which must have made it difficult to reject him. It has been asserted that there are important correspondences between YHWH and Edom’s god Qos (176-177).

 

Same God, Different Name?

One possibility is thus that Qos and Yahweh are the same God being referred to by different terms.

This would not be surprising, as in the Old Testament itself, Yahweh is referred to by multiple terms: El, Elohim, Adonai, etc.

The same is true of other deities in the Old Testament. Thus the generic term Ba’al (Hebrew, “Master”) is also called Hadad, Chemosh, etc.

We often see how the same deity could be called by different terms across linguistic barriers. Thus the Latin-speaking Romans referred to the same deity by the names of Jupiter and Jove that Greek-speakers referred to as Zeus.

Even today, language barriers result in Christians all over the world using different terms for God:

  • Spanish-speaking Christians refer to God as Dios
  • Polish-speaking Christians refer to God as Bog
  • German-speaking Christians refer to God as Gott
  • Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God as Allah
  • Finnish-speaking Christians refer to God as Jumala
  • Hungarian-speaking Christians refer to God as Isten

You get the point.

Given all this terminological diversity, it’s quite possible that the Israelites and the Edomites, at least at times, simply used different terms for the same deity.

This is all the more plausible since the Edomites didn’t speak exactly the same language as the Israelites, and even in Hebrew, God can be referred to with terms as different as El and Yahweh.

Maybe in Edomite he was Yahweh and Qos.

This would explain why Qos isn’t condemned in the Old Testament the way other foreign deities are.

 

Yahweh a Storm God?

The reader referred to the idea that Yahweh and Qos may have been storm gods, but we need to be careful here.

In the Old Testament, Yahweh is not presented simply as a storm god. He is the God of everything, and everything includes storms.

Storms are very powerful, and thus they make a good metaphor for divine power. It’s thus no surprise that various Old Testament books use storm imagery in connection with Yahweh.

Despite the use of storm themes in the Old Testament, the biblical writers did not conceive of Yahweh simply as a storm god.

For them, he was the everything God—the Creator of the entire world—and they also use fire themes, harvest themes, healing themes, birth themes, death themes, battle themes, and many others. But that wouldn’t let us reduce Yahweh to simply being a fire god, a harvest god, a healing god, a birth god, a death god, or a war god.

 

Yahweh vs. Ba’al

There’s also another reason to be careful about thinking of Yahweh as principally a storm god: When the Old Testament uses such imagery in connection with him, it is often part of a deliberate attempt to subvert Ba’al worship.

In the Canaanite pantheon, Ba’al was the storm god. In Canaanite mythology, Ba’al also famously had a conflict with the sea god, Yam, who he conquered.

During much of the Old Testament period, Israelites were tempted to worship Ba’al (and the other Canaanite deities), but the prophets make it very clear that Yahweh and Ba’al are two different deities.

That’s why—if you’ll pardon a storm-related pun—they thunderously denounce Ba’al worship.

We thus find the biblical authors using Ba’al-related imagery to subvert Ba’al worship. By using storm imagery for Yahweh, they are saying, “Ba’al isn’t the true lord of the storm; Yahweh is.”

Similarly, the biblical authors subvert Ba’al worship when they make it clear that it was actually Yahweh who set the boundaries of the sea (Job 38:10-11Prov. 8:29Psa. 104:9Jer. 5:22)—the Hebrew word for which is also yam.

We thus have to be careful that we recognize what the biblical authors are doing with storm imagery and not simply reduce Yahweh to being a storm god.

 

Revelation, Loss, and Clarification

The Bible depicts God and man as experiencing an original unity. This implies that God revealed himself to us at the dawn of our race.

However, as the Old Testament makes clear, our knowledge of God became disfigured by sin, and the worship of other gods was introduced.

The disfigurement became so bad that, prior to the time of Abraham, the ancestors of the Israelites worshipped the Mesopotamian deities (Josh. 24:214-15).

But God began to rebuild knowledge of himself by calling Abraham and giving him new revelation. This knowledge was further clarified with the revelation given to Moses, and later through the prophets and other biblical writers.

We thus see a process whereby the original knowledge of God was largely lost, but God began to reintroduce knowledge of who he was and thus clarify our understanding of him.

This process was gradual and messy. At first, many of God’s people worshipped other deities in addition to him (Gen. 31:34-35Lev. 17:7Josh. 24:14). This continued even after God brought the Israelites into the promised land.

But through the prophets’ repeated calls, God made it clear to the Israelites that this must stop, and by the end of the Babylonian Exile, the practice was definitively ended.

 

Avoiding Overreach

One of the difficulties that scholars have in piecing together how this process worked is the small amount of information we have about this period in history.

Aside from the Old Testament, we have little literature about Israel and its immediate neighbors (Edom, Moab, Midian, etc.), and the Old Testament does not give us a great deal of information about many of these questions.

As a result, scholars are often left to simply guess at many issues pertaining to these early periods.

For example, one scholar (M. Rose) has proposed that Qos was not the same deity as Yahweh, and his worship was introduced only later. Dicou explains:

Rose maintains that only in later times, namely the eighth or seventh centuries bce, did the god Qos, of Arabian origin, come to be known in Edom. Nothing is known about the god who was worshipped before Qos, but it is not unlikely that it was the same god as the one of the Israelites, namely, ‘YHW’ (178).

In other words, the Edomites may have originally worshipped Yahweh, but later Qos was introduced and became their most popular deity.

How would that transition have happened? We don’t know.

Would it even have been clear to the Edomites from the beginning that Yahweh and Qos were different deities? We don’t know that either.

Scholars of religion have noted that there can sometimes be confusion about the identity or non-identity of deities, and it can go back and forth.

Sometimes—for some worshippers—Deity X will be regarded as the same as Deity Y. But other times—for other worshippers—Deity X and Deity Y will be clearly distinct.

Thus in different streams of Hinduism, the deities are sometimes considered to be separate, but in other streams they are all considered aspects of a single, ultimate God.

Closer to home, the God of the Bible was regarded by the first Christians as one, but heretics like Marcion and the Gnostics came to think of the God of the Old Testament as a fundamentally different being than the God of the New Testament.

A modern example of the same phenomenon can be seen in the fact that many Christians today are willing to acknowledge that God is also worshipped by Jews and Muslims, even if they have an incomplete or partially erroneous understanding of him. But others will vigorously deny that Muslims worship the same God as Christians.

The same phenomenon happened in the ancient world. Not everybody had the same understanding of whether this god was the same as that god.

Therefore, some Edomites may have understood Yahweh and Qos to be the same, but others may have disagreed, and the popularity of the two viewpoints may have gone back and forth over time.

We just don’t know.

This is why we have to be careful to avoid overreach—to avoid going beyond what the evidence allows us to say with confidence.

Scholars may legitimately speculate about how the identification or non-identification of various gods developed over time, precisely how the worship of these gods arose and when, etc., however we must always bear in mind that these are just speculations.

The truth is that we don’t have the evidence we would need to be sure.

 

“Not Without Witness”

Although the biblical evidence—as well as the archaeological record—makes it clear that man’s knowledge of the Creator was strongly disfigured, the New Testament establishes the principle that he did not leave himself without witness.

In Acts, Paul explains that he did so at least through the creation itself:

In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways; yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good and gave you from heaven rains and fruitful seasons, satisfying your hearts with food and gladness (Acts 14:16-17).

He makes a similar point in Romans:

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made (Rom. 1:19-20).

And thus people in various cultures have reasoned their way to the existence of the Creator. This included figures in polytheistic Greece, some of whom Paul quotes:

Yet he is not far from each one of us, for “In him we live and move and have our being”; as even some of your poets have said, “For we are indeed his offspring” (Acts 17:27-28).

If God cared enough to make it possible for us to always learn about him through creation—what is sometimes called “general revelation”—then it is reasonable to suppose that he also always continued to give “special revelation”—that is knowledge about him disclosed through visions, prophecies, etc.

This would apply even in the dark times before Abraham and Moses and even in communities other than Israel.

Thus we find figures like the Jebusite king Melchizedek, who “was priest of God Most High” (Gen. 14:18), the Midianite priest Jethro, who rejoiced at what God did for Israel under Moses (Exod. 18:9-12), and the Mesopotamian prophet Balaam, who prophesied for Yahweh (Num. 22:8-24:25).

We thus see a knowledge and worship of the true God outside of Israel in these early times.

At our remote date, we cannot know the details of this knowledge and worship. It may have—and in fact almost certainly was—partial and at times confused, for that is what we see within Israel itself, as the struggles of the prophets indicate.

However, we can say that God always preserved a knowledge of himself, however dimly he was understood in a particular age, and however hybridized his worship came to be with pagan ideas.

We may be thankful that he did lead the Israelites along the path he did, that he did restore knowledge of himself, that he did clear away pagan confusions, and that he finally gave us the full revelation of himself in Jesus Christ, his Son.

 

Summary

With the above as background, I would offer a short summary of the response to the reader’s initial query as follows:

  • The speculations about Yahweh and Qos being storm gods who were related is, in fact, not at all certain.
  • However, even if it could be proved, there are a number of ways to square this with an orthodox Christian understanding:
    • Yahweh and Qos may well have been the same deity being worshipped under two names.
    • Yahweh may have been the earlier deity and Qos only introduced later.
    • God has always preserved knowledge of himself in the world. Even though it has been partial and overlaid with misunderstandings, God eventually clarified it and gave us his definitive revelation through his Son.


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